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MrSega wrote:How much does anyone think a high powered cost efficiant SEGA console will cost now in days?

Based on what exactly? Without any confirmed specs its difficult to speculate. However it would have to be priced competitively with the other systems. Probably $250.00.

I also have some news on this subject.

Today I spoke to Andrew Peggs from sfx-360.com and I asked him about the rumors about Sega. I have some what of an update. He told me this word for word "No there has been no leaks or announcements from Sega about a console" He also told me that he is not allowed to give out any information or he could be in trouble. I also asked about Sonics 20th, and he told me he does not know anything other then sonic game release for PSU. I have proof of this as well. So there is some what of information. I asked him more about what he thought of it and he wouldn't say anything other then "No there has been no leaks or announcements from Sega about the a console". So something is up and there is still hope!

RiilihShimo wrote:I also have some news on this subject.

Today I spoke to Andrew Peggs from sfx-360.com and I asked him about the rumors about Sega. I have some what of an update. He told me this word for word "No there has been no leaks or announcements from Sega about a console" He also told me that he is not allowed to give out any information or he could be in trouble. I also asked about Sonics 20th, and he told me he does not know anything other then sonic game release for PSU. I have proof of this as well. So there is some what of information. I asked him more about what he thought of it and he wouldn't say anything other then "No there has been no leaks or announcements from Sega about the a console". So something is up and there is still hope!

What this shows is that SEGA goes through great lengths to keep any type of SEGA hardware rumors from getting leaked out.

From what Haneda has personally told me regaurding the Sonic 20th anniversary, he himself doesn't have a single clue, the Sonic 20th birthday title will be a complete surprise to everybody.

BTW,what's PSU?

stu wrote:

MrSega wrote:How much does anyone think a high powered cost efficiant SEGA console will cost now in days?

Based on what exactly? Without any confirmed specs its difficult to speculate. However it would have to be priced competitively with the other systems. Probably $250.00.

If SEGA's next board indeed is non PC based, and Hitachi is once again commissioned by SEGA to build an original off the shelf CPU for the SEGADRIVE arcade board than a console variant for it would value around a simluar budget to Saturn when you comare the $400 million SEGA budgeted on that project,minus modestly high development costs and adjust inflation and value the budget would be about $800 million depending on the media format, if the console were to use flash
memory like N GALAXY and Xbox 3 are rumored to be then the budget may be even less around Dreamcast's $500 million. Judging by the uncomfirmed Kaldata souce, it would likely indeed be competitive at about $250-300.($270-320).

MrSega wrote:

RiilihShimo wrote:I also have some news on this subject.

Today I spoke to Andrew Peggs from sfx-360.com and I asked him about the rumors about Sega. I have some what of an update. He told me this word for word "No there has been no leaks or announcements from Sega about a console" He also told me that he is not allowed to give out any information or he could be in trouble. I also asked about Sonics 20th, and he told me he does not know anything other then sonic game release for PSU. I have proof of this as well. So there is some what of information. I asked him more about what he thought of it and he wouldn't say anything other then "No there has been no leaks or announcements from Sega about the a console". So something is up and there is still hope!

What this shows is that SEGA goes through great lengths to keep any type of SEGA hardware rumors from getting leaked out.

From what Haneda has personally told me regaurding the Sonic 20th anniversary, he himself doesn't have a single clue, the Sonic 20th birthday title will be a complete surprise to everybody.

BTW,what's PSU?

Well .. Hopefully Haneda is right! I can't wait to see what the anniversary unfolds! =D
I have no idea what PSU is .. unless he ment PSN. I will ask him and get back to you about it.

MrSega wrote:

stu wrote:

MrSega wrote:How much does anyone think a high powered cost efficiant SEGA console will cost now in days?

Based on what exactly? Without any confirmed specs its difficult to speculate. However it would have to be priced competitively with the other systems. Probably $250.00.

If SEGA's next board indeed is non PC based, and Hitachi is once again commissioned by SEGA to build an original off the shelf CPU for the SEGADRIVE arcade board than a console variant for it would value around a simluar budget to Saturn when you comare the $400 million SEGA budgeted on that project,minus modestly high development costs and adjust inflation and value the budget would be about $800 million depending on the media format, if the console were to use flash
memory like N GALAXY and Xbox 3 are rumored to be then the budget may be even less around Dreamcast's $500 million. Judging by the uncomfirmed Kaldata souce, it would likely indeed be competitive at about $250-300.($270-320).

We actually have no confirmed proof that Sega is designing a new arcade system, all we have is what Zach Morris reports, which is suspect at best and some vague patents. Seeing as the last 3 arcade boards from Sega HAVE been PC based I think it's fair to say that this will be their preferred route. Sega hasn't designed a custom arcade system since NAOMI, all subsequent board have either been based off games consoles from other manufacturers eg Chihiro and Triforce. Or they have been PC based eg Lindburgh, Europa R and RingEdge/RingWide. Until they announce what their future arcade plans are any speculation would probably be at best inaccurate, at worst worthless in my opinion.

If anyone is interested to know. SEGA is indeed building a new arcade board and will almost definelty likely unveil the SEGADRIVE board at JAMMA this year. We don't need actual evidence whether or not SEGA is working on another arcade board. They are an arcade company, therefore they could easily build a high powered board. Its been about 6 years since LINDBERGH and its official successor has yet to be annouced. RINGEDGE doesn't count since its a mid range board like System 24 was a mid range board to System 16 and Model 3 was a mid range board to System 32.

As for if thier next board being PC based like the recent ones, I'd say thats highely unlikely especially since there's no commercial PC hardware availible thats a graphical leap over LINDBERGH, its successor would have to be tremendous leap over, so the only way for SEGA to accomplish this feat would be to build original off the shelf hardware.

Disputing SEGA arcade hardware is baseless because we have no idea what arcade hardware SEGA is developing and it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they came up with something cutting edge.

The Ring boards haven't even been around for two years, and how do you think the Ring boards don't supersede the Lindbergh? RingEdge is much more capable hardware than the Lindbergh and Sega has said that the Ring boards were to be used to revitalize arcades.

Sega doesn't care about building a high powered board. They want something that is capable and cheap. That's exactly what the Ring boards are. RingEdge is more capable than Lindbergh and cheaper, and RingWide is cheaper than both and also plenty capable.

If you think that there's no PC hardware available that's a leap over Lindbergh in the past 6 years since it came out, you're crazy. The Lindbergh has a Pentium 4 at 3.0ghz, a 256mb graphics card and 1gb of RAM @ 400mhz. My laptop I bought in 2008 has better specs (Intel Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.0ghz, similar graphics card, 2gb of RAM @ 1067 Mhz, DDR3), and it was a completely stock model

comradesnarky wrote:The Ring boards haven't even been around for two years, and how do you think the Ring boards don't supersede the Lindbergh? RingEdge is much more capable hardware than the Lindbergh and Sega has said that the Ring boards were to be used to revitalize arcades.

Sega doesn't care about building a high powered board. They want something that is capable and cheap. That's exactly what the Ring boards are. RingEdge is more capable than Lindbergh and cheaper, and RingWide is cheaper than both and also plenty capable.

If you think that there's no PC hardware available that's a leap over Lindbergh in the past 6 years since it came out, you're crazy. The Lindbergh has a Pentium 4 at 3.0ghz, a 256mb graphics card and 1gb of RAM @ 400mhz. My laptop I bought in 2008 has better specs (Intel Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.0ghz, similar graphics card, 2gb of RAM @ 1067 Mhz, DDR3), and it was a completely stock model

CPU has little to do with it LINDBERGH's successor would have to have a higher clockspeed preformance and more memory as well as more cores. Its mostly all about a large techinical leap and graphical processing that can lower development costs in the same way as RINGEDGE does while providing cutting edge graphics that are groundbreaking, the same way NAOMI did in 1998.

Its doesn't matter if RINGEDGE is only two years old. Its not the official successor to LINDBERGH like I said, its a mid range board.Its not not out of the ordinary for SEGA to churn out a more powerful board just a couple years after a mid range upgrade. System 32 was introduced in 1992, just two years after System 24 and a full 5 years after System 16 was introduced in 1987. Model 3 came in '96, NAOMI, System 32's successor came in '98 just 2 years later and 6 years after System 32.

MrSega wrote: CPU has little to do with it LINDBERGH's successor would have to have a higher clockspeed preformance and more memory as well as more cores.

If CPU has little to do with it then why do people ever need new computers?

What do you think that RingEdge has? Lindbergh had a Pentium 4 (single core) at 3.0ghz.

RingEdge has an Intel Pentium Dual Core (more cores) at 1.8ghz (roughly 3.6ghz)... which is... a higher clock speed.

They do have the same RAM, but, RingEdge's offers faster performance.

Its mostly all about a large techinical leap and graphical processing that can lower development costs in the same way as RINGEDGE does while providing cutting edge graphics that are groundbreaking, the same way NAOMI did in 1998.

I'm going to argue against that one. Since Microsoft and Sony are in the business of making this a 10 year console cycle, it really isn't in Sega's interest to have arcade hardware that far outshines the consoles. On one hand, Sega is trying to revitalize the arcade business, so they do want to look better than consoles. On the other hand, that revitalization isn't going well and to maximize their revenues, they're probably going to need to do some arcade ports. It's going to take them a lot more work to port a game that ran on stronger hardware, which costs more money.

Its doesn't matter if RINGEDGE is only two years old. Its not the official successor to LINDBERGH like I said, its a mid range board.Its not not out of the ordinary for SEGA to churn out a more powerful board just a couple years after a mid range upgrade. System 32 was introduced in 1992, just two years after System 24 and a full 5 years after System 16 was introduced in 1987. Model 3 came in '96, NAOMI, System 32's successor came in '98 just 2 years later and 6 years after System 32.

Fair enough on the release timeline, I just don't think Sega is going to be releasing a new arcade board, and if they do it's not going to be the quantum leap you're thinking it will be.