SEGADRIVE, is SEGA planning NEW console with it?

[RiilihShimo]

Here we go again.

Have you heard the word? It was my understanding that everyone has heard ...
THE RULES!
You know that we are not supposed to talk crap about each other on the forums or talk about each other. This forum is not for hate or debate. It for us all of us to share our opinions and views. Throwing out the window and accusing people of being trolls (Even if we know someone(s) a troll) it is wrong and not to be talked about in this forum. If you think someone is trolling, SIMPLY IGNORE! It's not hard at all. Everyone needs to try and get along with each other. There is an ignore button. It is there for a reason. If you do not like someone, simply click that button and ignore... Lets try to get along here people ...

Now about the Patent ... I question the DC in the picture and why it is there. I think its a server. I think it is there along with the computer and arcade board is showing that it is a sever/network and can have capabilities to work with all 3.

I agree as well, I think the DC is an example. This patent looks to be some sort of Wi-Fi service.

I agree. I wonder if it is a Wi-Fi network of some sort. Kinda like the PSN. But why would they make a network just for arcade boards though? Thats what I don't understand.

[stu]

Having looks through the patent some more it seems like it is for some kind of networked soccer game, which presumably allows players in the arcade and console players to play against each other. It talks about the "Koujiya Dynamites" and the "Kobe Falcons" and moves like dribbling and passing, which are soccer related. Other than that I have no idea.

[RiilihShimo]

Having looks through the patent some more it seems like it is for some kind of networked soccer game, which presumably allows players in the arcade and console players to play against each other. It talks about the "Koujiya Dynamites" and the "Kobe Falcons" and moves like dribbling and passing, which are soccer related. Other than that I have no idea.

It could also mean basketball ... dribbling and passing are also used in basketball. Or maybe they were given as an example? Idk.

[MistaBuck]

Having looks through the patent some more it seems like it is for some kind of networked soccer game, which presumably allows players in the arcade and console players to play against each other. It talks about the "Koujiya Dynamites" and the "Kobe Falcons" and moves like dribbling and passing, which are soccer related. Other than that I have no idea.

My theory was that this is an example or some sort of "User" system Sega wants to put in place.... Maybe you can run your own sports team in your username in this example...I don't know

They did mention some kind of "card" used in the game, so maybe some kind of card system?

Maybe I'm looking too much into this

[MrSega]

Having looks through the patent some more it seems like it is for some kind of networked soccer game, which presumably allows players in the arcade and console players to play against each other. It talks about the "Koujiya Dynamites" and the "Kobe Falcons" and moves like dribbling and passing, which are soccer related. Other than that I have no idea.

My theory was that this is an example or some sort of "User" system Sega wants to put in place.... Maybe you can run your own sports team in your username in this example...I don't know

They did mention some kind of "card" used in the game, so maybe some kind of card system?

Maybe I'm looking too much into this

SEGA patents are known for being way too vague. Unless its been issued for use, most SEGA patents are very complex to crack and hard to understand, I suspect SEGA does this to keep all speculation under radar.

[comradesnarky]

Ok. Here's the dilly-o

Sega of Japan Is still fairly profitable. They're still making pretty good money off of games and arcade boards (I think... I'm not 100% sure)

Global company. Sega of America and Sega of Japan report financials as one company. This past year was the first time they were profitable in three years (it even says this in their annual report. I link it further down.)

They Are owned by Sega Sammy Holdings, A Pretty large Company.

They are Sega Sammy Holdings.

Here are the reasons that Sega Has the capability of creating a New Console

1. Sega Still Makes Good games

Sega has a bad rep nowadays because of the "poor" quality game they produce. This is Sega of America, not Sega Japan.

For Example, In my opinion, Some of the good Sega Titles of this Generation are: Sonic Colors, Yakuza, Valkyria Chronicles, Border Break, Super Monkey Ball, Anything from Platinum Games, and Total War.

With the exception of "Total War", All of them are produced, or developed by Sega of JAPAN.

The Bad Marvel Movie tie-ins are all Sega of America's doings

Good games don't mean you have the money to produce a console.

2. Sega Has The Money

Contrary to popular belief that Sega Does not have the money to support a Console system, They in fact, do

Like I said Earlier, Sega is owned by Sega Sammy holdings. They are a pretty Big Company. Back in the Dreamcast era, i could understand why Sega Struggled to keep their system alive. But now, they are supported by a larger company and (in my opinion), If Sega pitched a Console, They would have enough money to support it.

No, they wouldn't.

They have roughly $1.8 billion in cash. (Page 61, final row) Consider that Microsoft spent $500 million marketing the Kinect, a $150 add-on, in North America alone. (Source on that)

3. Sega Has the Want for a Console

This one is pretty suggestive, but about everyone who owned a Sega console at one point or another would probably LOVE to own another one.

And I'm not only talking about the Dreamcast: I'm talking about the Genesis/Mega Drive, and the Saturn as well. It's the nostalgia factor of a Sega console that will drive them

SNK has fans that would like another console too....

4. Sega has learned from their past Mistakes

From what I see today, Sega Has Learned from their Past blunders.

and hopefully. they wont:
Release Stupid Add-ons (32x)
Release Consoles at an abrupt time (Saturn)
or
Release Consoles before the competition (Dreamcast)

They have learned from their past mistakes. That's why they're releasing software as a third party now and developing arcade hardware.

5. Sega Is capable of releasing state-of-the-art Hardware

As seen from their Arcade boards, Sega is still able to release up to date hardware to power their software.

They're capable of releasing it on an arcade scale. Compare manufacturing 300-400 arcade units (which can have wildly varying costs) to manufacturing millions upon millions of consoles which each cost around $400 to make. There's a huge gap in the capital required for an investment like that.

There are other factors That I'm not so sure about, such as:
Support From Manufacturing companies
Support From Graphics card and processor companies
Support From Other 3rd Party Video Game Companies

But I'm sure they will work out if the money is in the right place.

That support would be no problem if Sega had enough money to assure a large up front payment, but they don't. If I owned a manufacturing company, I don't think I'd trust Sega to be able to make payments on account.

To make a Long story short, I Really think that Sega Is capable of making a video game console that can compete with Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.

They Just need to take the risk.
and without risks,
Their would be no progress.

See above.

I'm not going to touch that patents post or else this post would be roughly the size of a small novel.

However,

the last one caught my interest
because
The system they use as an example
Is the DREAMCAST

and the fact the it was filed
LAST YEAR

As others have said, placeholder image.

stu is lying, he's actually known for flamebaiting and causing trouble whiletriying to debunk rumors by spinning facts with nothing to back it up.
http://segaleaks.wordpress.com/2011/03/ ... erization/

He has no facts to back up his claims and debunk atempts, just words, he's a troll.

Stu posted links to several examples. Those are facts.

Not posting links to back up your claims (I'm not consider haneda a valid source since he can't back up his claims) would be known as conjecture.

From what I've seen as a visitor, it seems the moderators there are sick and tired of people posting fictional rumors as fact. It would appear that they have now taken a very hostile view towards ANY speculation or hypothetical discussion as a result, which is a shame.

What stu said regarding discussion being banned on the Sega forums.

See how deeply all of you guys are believing these uncited rumors and going so far as to declare people trolls when they're factually backing their posts?

SEGA patents are known for being way too vague. Unless its been issued for use, most SEGA patents are very complex to crack and hard to understand, I suspect SEGA does this to keep all speculation under radar.

This is basically a patenting technique. If your patent is vague, then you can use it to defend against a wider variety of products. They're not covering anything up, they're just protecting their assets. Go and look at high value patents from any other company.

[MrSega]

Comaradesnarky, there's no reason for you to post on this topic if you don't believe in any speculation.

Also SEGA does not have 1.8 million in cash, they just posted a $4.5 billion dollar revenue earnings report for the previous fiscal year. That claim that they don't have much money is erroneous, SEGASammy holdings is worth $28 billion in assets.

[Bob Dobbs]

$ 4.5 billion is confirmed - end of line
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Sammy_Holdings

Mr. Sega for the win!

[MistaBuck]

@comradesnarky

HOLY MOTHER OF STUNFISK THAT'S A LONG POST

ahem...

oh great another guy who did their homework...

Anyway,

You offer, Unlike stu, Actual facts to back up your post...

and, It all makes sense...

so..

th..the....

W..WHO TO BELIEVE

[comradesnarky]

Comaradesnarky, there's no reason for you to post on this topic if you don't believe in any speculation.

Also SEGA does not have 1.8 million in cash, they just posted a $4.5 billion dollar revenue earnings report for the previous fiscal year. That claim that they don't have much money is erroneous, SEGASammy holdings is worth $28 billion in assets.

$ 4.5 billion is confirmed - end of line
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Sammy_Holdings

Mr. Sega for the win!

It's now MrSega and Bob Dobbs for the loss.

Revenue is all of the income of your business. Revenue is before you cover any of your expenses. Expenses would be game development costs all the way to electricity bills.

The 4.5 billion doesn't immediately become profits or retained earnings because they have to pay their bills. Revenue is reported and noted just as sort of an indicator of a company's activity level.

Look at it like this; if I make $5 billion in revenue, but my expenses (bills) are $6 billion, then I have a net loss of $1 billion, regardless of my $5 billion in revenue.

If I make $5 billion in revenue, and my expenses are $4 billion, I have net gain (profit) of $1 billion. You can read up on profit here.

The figure I cited in my massive post ($1.8 billion) is their total retained earnings (retained earnings are basically your true profits; they're your profits that you actually get to keep after you've payed stockholder dividends) that are carried over from earlier fiscal years (accounting periods) plus their latest. For the most recent fiscal year their retained earnings were $1.3 billion, meaning their cash stores were completely pathetic before this past fiscal year.

Also: assets are considered goods which are not easily converted into cash. They aren't considered a part of your cash resources because, simply put, they aren't. Assets are things like your building and all of the desks and computers.

Also also: I'm going to start charging tuition to read my posts so I can make up some of mine...