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PS3 has been a huge finicial & commercial failure, and while it has started selling better the past near 2 years its gonna take years to recover. Sony's Playstation brand name is nothing like it was 10 years ago. Releasing a PS4 now would be a BAD investment. Sony does not have access to cutting edge graphics technology like SEGA does, & FYI, if SEGA were to launch another console next year it would be different from Dreamcast because:
.1. Sega would have the most powerful console on the market and would not expect a serious contender for at least 3 years. Sony has insisted that PS3 will last 10 years and have not suggested that they wil be releasing a sucessor anytime soon, which makes these PS4 rumors all the more ridiculious. Sony is upgrading PS3 so it can outpreform the Wii U its called "PS3.5" & unlike the fanmade PS4, there is actual info on PS3.5.


2. PS3 unlike its predessecors does NOT have secure market penetration in each global market. For one, it has not been the top in the US market and for two, Sony is not making a strong profit to pour in a competitive on PS3.

4. The Japanese console market shrunk in the past decade 50%. Most console manufacturers average selling under 50,000 units monthly which is poor compared to PS2.

5. SEGASammy has a household brand name in Japan. If they launched a console, it would be an instantenous sucess in Japan.

MrSega wrote:PS3 has been a huge finicial & commercial failure, and while it has started selling better the past near 2 years its gonna take years to recover. Sony's Playstation brand name is nothing like it was 10 years ago. Releasing a PS4 now would be a BAD investment. Sony does not have access to cutting edge graphics technology like SEGA does, & FYI, if SEGA were to launch another console next year it would be different from Dreamcast because:
.1. Sega would have the most powerful console on the market and would not expect a serious contender for at least 3 years. Sony has insisted that PS3 will last 10 years and have not suggested that they wil be releasing a sucessor anytime soon, which makes these PS4 rumors all the more ridiculious. Sony is upgrading PS3 so it can outpreform the Wii U its called "PS3.5" & unlike the fanmade PS4, there is actual info on PS3.5.


2. PS3 unlike its predessecors does NOT have secure market penetration in each global market. For one, it has not been the top in the US market and for two, Sony is not making a strong profit to pour in a competitive on PS3.

4. The Japanese console market shrunk in the past decade 50%. Most console manufacturers average selling under 50,000 units monthly which is poor compared to PS2.

5. SEGASammy has a household brand name in Japan. If they launched a console, it would be an instantenous sucess in Japan.

The console market in Japan is becoming less and less viable so don't you thing its risky for SegaSammy also?

IMO, the next generation of consoles could well be the last of its kind, to be replaced with TVs with built own operating systems and downloadable apps ala Android or iOS. We've been attaching consoles to TVs since the early 70s and like the desktop computer, thing seem to be changing.

MrSega wrote:Sony is upgrading PS3 so it can outpreform the Wii U its called "PS3.5" & unlike the fanmade PS4, there is actual info on PS3.5.

Oh boy, it will either be a flop like the 32x or SEGA CD, or be somewhat successful like the N64 expansion pack seeing how Nintendo chose to introduce it in the market, i say more successful because of how Nintendo released it (came packaged with a game that required it) to minimize fragmenting the market, but if you ask me it was too little too late because the DC was around the corner, The E-pack was released in 1999.

But just because something is patented, doesn’t mean it will be made. SONY has to think hard about this on how to release it to the market and what it will cost them in the long term.

CruSega wrote:with TVs with built own operating systems and downloadable apps

You mean what some HDTV's already offer and do (like that one HDTV from SONY), And what Apple is currently trying to do.

madmax2069 wrote:

MrSega wrote:Sony is upgrading PS3 so it can outpreform the Wii U its called "PS3.5" & unlike the fanmade PS4, there is actual info on PS3.5.

Oh boy, it will either be a flop like the 32x or SEGA CD, or be somewhat successful like the N64 expansion pack seeing how Nintendo chose to introduce it in the market, i say more successful because of how Nintendo released it (came packaged with a game that required it) to minimize fragmenting the market, but if you ask me it was too little too late because the DC was around the corner, The E-pack was released in 1999.

But just because something is patented, doesn’t mean it will be made. SONY has to think hard about this on how to release it to the market and what it will cost them in the long term.

I think MrSega is referring to an old Sony patent that described adding additional Cell processors to the PS3, it was mainly a theoretical system. This patent already been widely debunked on most of the other gaming tech forums, its a non-starter primarily because the PS3 has no external interface that would have the necessary bandwidth to make such an addon work, neither HDMI or USB would be capable of providing necessary throughput.
The other thing is that Sony aren't about to hand the hardcore gamers market to Microsoft, the next gen Xbox is rumored to be significantly more powerful than the current one and will have Direct X 11 class performance. I personally reckon this PS3.5 idea to be BS.

Here is an article on the subject with a link to the patent, as you can see the article is nearly a year old.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/12 ... processor/


As for this whole PS4 patents hoo haa. PS4 is basically a catch-all term used by the media to describe the next gen Playstation console, just like "Xbox720" is being bandied around to describe the next Xbox. I think in Sony's case they have shown with the PSVita that they are moving away from the simplistic suffixes like PS1, PS2, PS3 etc and will probably change the branding to something along the same lines as Playstation Vita.

Maybe I'll start trawling through all Sony's trademarks like MrSega does for the Sega ones to track down what Sony will call their next Playstation system!

madmax2069 wrote:

MrSega wrote:Sony is upgrading PS3 so it can outpreform the Wii U its called "PS3.5" & unlike the fanmade PS4, there is actual info on PS3.5.

Oh boy, it will either be a flop like the 32x or SEGA CD, or be somewhat successful like the N64 expansion pack seeing how Nintendo chose to introduce it in the market, i say more successful because of how Nintendo released it (came packaged with a game that required it) to minimize fragmenting the market, but if you ask me it was too little too late because the DC was around the corner, The E-pack was released in 1999.

But just because something is patented, doesn’t mean it will be made. SONY has to think hard about this on how to release it to the market and what it will cost them in the long term.

CruSega wrote:with TVs with built own operating systems and downloadable apps

You mean what some HDTV's already offer and do (like that one HDTV from SONY), And what Apple is currently trying to do.[/quote]

Exactly. The only reason MS got into the video game business was to control the living room of Joe6Pack. It was the belief that everything would converge into a set top box where you would watch your movies, listen to music, play your video games, computing. MS didn't enter this business because of love for video gaming, the only thing MS loves is money.

Apple has failed, first with the Pippin, then with Apple TV. So if they cannot bring a box near your TV they will bring the TV to their virtual box. Apple and Samsung are in heated competition in smartphones and tablets. The smart-TV is the next battlefield: iOS versus Android on a TV set, likely with motion sensing abilities since it would become tedious to keep touching your TV set unless you want to play Angry Birds.

stu wrote:

madmax2069 wrote:

MrSega wrote:Sony is upgrading PS3 so it can outpreform the Wii U its called "PS3.5" & unlike the fanmade PS4, there is actual info on PS3.5.

Oh boy, it will either be a flop like the 32x or SEGA CD, or be somewhat successful like the N64 expansion pack seeing how Nintendo chose to introduce it in the market, i say more successful because of how Nintendo released it (came packaged with a game that required it) to minimize fragmenting the market, but if you ask me it was too little too late because the DC was around the corner, The E-pack was released in 1999.

But just because something is patented, doesn’t mean it will be made. SONY has to think hard about this on how to release it to the market and what it will cost them in the long term.

I think MrSega is referring to an old Sony patent that described adding additional Cell processors to the PS3, it was mainly a theoretical system. This patent already been widely debunked on most of the other gaming tech forums, its a non-starter primarily because the PS3 has no external interface that would have the necessary bandwidth to make such an addon work, neither HDMI or USB would be capable of providing necessary throughput.
The other thing is that Sony aren't about to hand the hardcore gamers market to Microsoft, the next gen Xbox is rumored to be significantly more powerful than the current one and will have Direct X 11 class performance. I personally reckon this PS3.5 idea to be BS.

Here is an article on the subject with a link to the patent, as you can see the article is nearly a year old.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/12 ... processor/


As for this whole PS4 patents hoo haa. PS4 is basically a catch-all term used by the media to describe the next gen Playstation console, just like "Xbox720" is being bandied around to describe the next Xbox. I think in Sony's case they have shown with the PSVita that they are moving away from the simplistic suffixes like PS1, PS2, PS3 etc and will probably change the branding to something along the same lines as Playstation Vita.

Maybe I'll start trawling through all Sony's trademarks like MrSega does for the Sega ones to track down what Sony will call their next Playstation system!

Maybe Sony's new console will be called Quikster.

@CruSega. The recent trademark from Sony is an application for arcade networking to sell PS3 based arcade titles.

@stu. Oh so your desperate to believe that Sony's investors ARE dumb enough to risk bankrupting thier entire SCEI division by building a PS4 when there isn't a SHRED of evidence that they are? Then what the hell is this:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/101/1019535p1.html

What's this? You're calling SCE a liar?

http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/ ... 990/page/3

Oh I see your going by someone's opinion rather than fact.

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/t2576-pl ... pdate-ps35

The most recent one talking about the same rumor.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=59153

I just listed 4 source forums talking about the PS3.5 and NONE of them able to explain or debunk this rumor, you're going to have to do better than that if you want to puff yourself up like your some expert.



Oh, what's this? What does this look like?
*Gasp* A patent! A Playstation patent filed in December of 2010!!!!!!!! And look, its for upgrading the PS3 GPU and reconfiguring the CELL. Sorry, no Playstation 4.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2010/0312969.html

And guess what? I got this ACTUAL source from a professional Playstation tech forum. I am seriously getting tired of your trolling and flamebaiting. You started this fight. By taunting me with emotiongears and are now resorting to twisted words and actually taking qoutes(Opinions) from the forum users there to try to cherrypick your own opinions.

stu wrote: I think MrSega is referring to an old Sony patent that described adding additional Cell processors to the PS3

Yeah i knew what he was talking about. Thats also the same link i was reading when i was looking up info. The only way for a device like that to be connected to the PS3 is by its internal ethernet port, but that limits it to being in distributed computing mode because the PS3s ethernet isnt fast enough for other means (something cell was designed for).

MrSega wrote: @stu. Oh so your desperate to believe that Sony's investors ARE dumb enough to risk bankrupting thier entire SCEI division by building a PS4 when there isn't a SHRED of evidence that they are?

Then what the hell is this:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/101/1019535p1.html

Just wondering? Did you bother to check the date of this "evidence" that you are presenting? Let's see August 28 2009? Is that really the best you can do? A TWO YEAR OLD article?? Oh BTW where is the Xbox560 then?


What's this? You're calling SCE a liar?

http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/ ... 990/page/3

Did you actually bother to read any of these posts, or did you just mindlessly copy/paste this crap from your google search? I’ll post 3 quotes from that thread as example since the vast majority of the members on there seem to think it was BS too.

Quote 1:
"Everyone knows, 99% of all patents are raised to prevent your competitiors doing something, rather than you implementing it...

This is utter BS. There are no external ports capable of this even if they wanted to on current PS3 designs"



Quote 2:

"Agreed, we will never see this sort of thing as a final product. An insanely high bandwidth is needed if they want to connect an external processor, and the PS3 simply don't have the ports for it. The bandwidth of the USB ports are much too slow, and trying to use the Ethernet port for it would just be stupid.
For this to truly happen, Sony would have needed to plan ahead and implent some kind of expansion port on the very first PS3 model years ago, but they never did."


Quote 3:

Of course it isn't. But the PS3 wouldn't benefit from it, as the bandwidth of the USB cable is much too slow for it.
The bandwidth between the PS3 CELL CPU and the PS3 XDR RAM is 25 GB/s. The bandwidth of a USB 2.0 cable is 480 Mbit/s. That's a huge difference.


And again this thread hasn't been added to in nearly a year.


Oh I see your going by someone's opinion rather than fact.

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/t2576-pl ... pdate-ps35

Huh? Yet another old thread from some PS3 forum. Your point?

The most recent one talking about the same rumor.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=59153

Wow you posted a thread from the Beyond3D forums, lets look at what the forum admin, Shifty Geezer had to say:

Quote: They most certainly did not! That idea isn't even the right stick, let alone the wrong end of it!
The patent first linked to in this forum here. DF's report here. The patent itself does not look applicable to the PS3. It covers a processor with a memory interface unit that can be changed between working as an SMP extension to a processor, or as a conventional node within a distributed processing network. It's the former that is something special, the idea that you could have two discrete processing packages, one in a console and one in a TV say, that work as one processor with coherency across memory accesses and data sharing. To the system, there is one processor, a Cell with 2 PPUs and 12 SPUs, or whatever it is. With something like a Naughty Dog SPU scheduling codebase, Uncharted 4 would spread out to available cores transparently.
The diagrams are only ever for illustration. The choice of 4 SPUs on the example chip could be as much a choice of presentation, as 8 SPUs would be a lot of redundant blocks that don't help explain the design.
Currently Cell does not have a BIC capable of switching between SMP and distributed-computing modes. I don't think such a thing can be emulated by a SPE. Even if it could, there's no connection that allows two discrete device CPUs to communicate at full bus speeds. The patent uses Cell's current FlexIO BW as an example, that the BIC unit can't exceed 35 GB/s out+25 GB/s in, but the fastest port on a PS3 is HDMI at 10 gigabits, one way AFAIK. The gigabit network port would only allow for distributed computing models, which would require custom software written to support it. I know of nothing in development that allows 50+ GB/s communication between devices. You'd need something like a RAMBUS port!

So in summary, this patent is 99.9% certainty nothing to do with PS3, but may point towards an improved network Cell offering shared workloads across Cell-enabled devices. Possibly even hedging their bets for a future that's 10 years out. "

Sooo they are patenting an IDEA so that no-one else can use it. Has nothing to do with PS3. Wow, you’re doing my job for me.



I just listed 4 source forums talking about the PS3.5 and NONE of them able to explain or debunk this rumor, you're going to have to do better than that if you want to puff yourself up like your some expert.



Oh, what's this? What does this look like?
*Gasp* A patent! A Playstation patent filed in December of 2010!!!!!!!! And look, its for upgrading the PS3 GPU and reconfiguring the CELL. Sorry, no Playstation 4.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2010/0312969.html

And guess what? I got this ACTUAL source from a professional Playstation tech forum.

Hey congratulations, you can use a web browser. Have a gold star!

Patents are a way of protecting ideas so that people don’t steal them, this would have had more relevance if the CELL architecture had been more successful and found its way in to more devices. It hasn’t, so it’s a largely redundant patent.

Congratulations, I’ve finally got sick and tired of you flamebaiting my opinions and accusing me of being a liar.

*Post Reported.*

BTW I covered each of your "points" above.

madmax2069 wrote:

stu wrote: I think MrSega is referring to an old Sony patent that described adding additional Cell processors to the PS3

Yeah i knew what he was talking about. Thats also the same link i was reading when i was looking up info.

I wasn't talking about the old 2005 patent, I was talking about the recent December 2010 one.

I've posted all the most recent sources talking about the PS3 upgraade. The one your talking about is an IGN article from 2009.

The recent ones don't fully and throughly explain whether or not this is an PS3 upgrade. They just break down the strong possibility that that what this patent is for.