Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:48 pm
by Exxistance
As promised, here's the fully translated introduction! All text is working well. Note that I'm clicking "A" because well, I've debugged this thing like 45 times today so I getting tired for waiting for the audio to finish. But know that the audio does not advance across text boxes because the original control codes have been maintained.
Neo500 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:34 pm
This is feeling so real. Thank you to everyone involved. Keep it up!!!!
It's real! Thank the pros in this thread for creating tools that I stumbled upon one day and decided to take a browse of the SGGG textures and thought, hmm...let me try redrawing one...
Alright, enough of my forum spam--I will continue to generate translated .MES files and debug them in-game. Will post back on progress in a few days.
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:49 am
by fafadou
Your work looks like an official release.
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:33 am
by at2ecw
This is very cool! I would love to try it out!
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:12 pm
by Bob Dobbs
Great news. Thank you for your hard work.
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:12 pm
by Exxistance
I've fully translated and implemented the following story files into the game:
About halfway through STORY80.MES as well, so just 8 1/2 more to go.
You've already seen the preview of STORY01. I'll upload a preview of STORY02 at some point in the next few days, which is the script where Alisa explains how the sim environment works. I got like 98% of it correct on the first go, but there's a few line formatting errors that I need to adjust. I also have to pivot to some "administrative" tasks related to the texture side and some wonderful textures that mr.nobody sent over.
All that said, having the first two, heavy tutorial-based chapters and all the UI textures in English makes the game massively more playable for an English speaker. And I kind of feel that the 32 byte character limit isn't that bad, considering even many of the original Japanese dialogues don't use the entire space of the dialogue window.
Anyway, I know all the pros are busy but if we could somehow develop a workflow for translating the main binary, we would make huge huge progress on this translation. Just starting to have all the character dialogue in the RPG sections would be a huge step forward from a testing perspective. Please reach out if--though you may not have time yourself--you could at least walk me through the tools I need to see the text in the binary, so that I could start translating it on my own.
As always, thanks everyone for the tools and support as we work to translate this beast!
To quote the game...
Dreaming is humanity’s last remaining privilege!
It’s not truth that paves the way—it’s hope.
If you forget that, you can’t make games.
Now then, keep up the good work!
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:36 pm
by fraggle200
this is some truly fantastic work and it's amazing to see the community come together to help where needed. Hope we can get that main binary opened up some time in the future.
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:50 pm
by VincentNL
Exxistance wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:12 pm
I've fully translated and implemented the following story files into the game:
About halfway through STORY80.MES as well, so just 8 1/2 more to go.
You've already seen the preview of STORY01. I'll upload a preview of STORY02 at some point in the next few days, which is the script where Alisa explains how the sim environment works. I got like 98% of it correct on the first go, but there's a few line formatting errors that I need to adjust. I also have to pivot to some "administrative" tasks related to the texture side and some wonderful textures that mr.nobody sent over.
All that said, having the first two, heavy tutorial-based chapters and all the UI textures in English makes the game massively more playable for an English speaker. And I kind of feel that the 32 byte character limit isn't that bad, considering even many of the original Japanese dialogues don't use the entire space of the dialogue window.
Anyway, I know all the pros are busy but if we could somehow develop a workflow for translating the main binary, we would make huge huge progress on this translation. Just starting to have all the character dialogue in the RPG sections would be a huge step forward from a testing perspective. Please reach out if--though you may not have time yourself--you could at least walk me through the tools I need to see the text in the binary, so that I could start translating it on my own.
As always, thanks everyone for the tools and support as we work to translate this beast!
To quote the game...
Dreaming is humanity’s last remaining privilege!
It’s not truth that paves the way—it’s hope.
If you forget that, you can’t make games.
Now then, keep up the good work!
If you want to locate Shift-JIS in hex, I suggest wxmedit. (set encoding to Shift-JIS)
Regarding modding it, the process requires to:
1- map text (wxmedit), data pointers and their text lenght (Ghidra)
2- locate free space (unused functions or data blocks)
3- write a tool to find most suitable space for new text lenght, and update pointers.
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:24 pm
by madsheep
Exxistance wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:12 pm
Anyway, I know all the pros are busy but if we could somehow develop a workflow for translating the main binary, we would make huge huge progress on this translation. Just starting to have all the character dialogue in the RPG sections would be a huge step forward from a testing perspective. Please reach out if--though you may not have time yourself--you could at least walk me through the tools I need to see the text in the binary, so that I could start translating it on my own.
To make changes to binary file you need to know that most of the time you cant change text that is bigger from the Japanese text. Because Shift-JIS use 2 hex values for each Jap letter you can use two English
Now you need a HexEditor that have the capability to support Shift-JIS encoding (I use WinHex).
Then you convert the Jap word you searching to HEX values and search those values to hex editor and make the changes you want.
Lets say i want to search for "新しい" in the binary. The values for this text is 905682B582A2.
I go to Search > Find Hex Values and type 905682B582A2
and voila
To change the encoding in WinHex go to View > Character Set > Code Page > and select 932 Ansi/OEM Japanese Shift-JIS
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:23 pm
by ateam
Alternatively, extract all the strings from executable. Dump to spreadsheet or text file, along with all locations of original pointers.
Rebuilder tool can inject new text into known safe ranges in the executable, updating all pointers accordingly.
I believe there's a tool named Atlas (and also a modified version by EsperKnight) that does this. I've never really used it, since I always write custom extract/rebuild tools for granular control.
In fact, this game has built-in debug font, which would provide tons of space to hold all strings contiguously without a need for using separate blocks of empty space here and there. Only downside is that said debug font will need to be used for adding subtitle code in the few areas of the game with spoken dialogue that has no accompanying text. Therefore, it's unwise to overwrite that font data with string data.
You can always manually edit via hex editor too, of course. Just less than ideal.
Re: New SEGAGAGA translation project in the works!
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 12:09 am
by pomegd
I don't know if this will help,
Attached is the text data dumped from 1_SGGG.BIN.
Once you have translated the text columns of this csv table, you can rewrite 1_SGGG.BIN by using “patch.py”.
Make sure it fits within the size value.
I have not checked the operation thoroughly, so there may be some glitches.
Note that when Excel is used to edit csv, some cells with only numbers will convert strings on their own.
For example.
0123 -> 123
But know that the audio does not advance across text boxes because the original control codes have been maintained.
