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Vga Cable vs VGA Box? Issues with Samsung TVs?

Post#1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:54 pm

So this is a small two parter. First and foremost I keep reading that Samsung TVs have an issue with the Dreamcast coming in VGA for some odd reason, I know my tv supports 480P and my dreamcast hasn't arrived yet so it's more of a preemptive question.

Secondly, the auction I am waiting on with a Dreamcast and games and such comes with a VGA cable. Is there any positives or negatives in terms of going with the cable over the VGA box and vice versa? The cheapest boxes I am seeing are at least fifty bucks and look very very cheap.

Any information is appreciated. =)

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Re: Vga Cable vs VGA Box? Issues with Samsung TVs?

Post#2 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:29 pm

not all games are VGA compatible, so the box is helpful in that you can easily switch between VGA and composite.
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Post#3 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:39 pm

Yeah, I've read that as well. In terms of having to either use a boot disc and then switch in the game, or even flipping the switch as you had said.

So there is no real difference in terms of quality with the VGA cable vs the box?

I assume there are no switches to flip on the cables lol.

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Post#4 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:58 am

I have yet to hear complaints of samsung tv's for gaming, imo they're the best around, since you can feed em almost any cable; specially the Series 5
We are SEGA generation.

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Post#5 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:16 am

mazonemayu wrote:I have yet to hear complaints of samsung tv's for gaming, imo they're the best around, since you can feed em almost any cable; specially the Series 5


Oh yeah, I know they are the best on the market now in terms of tvs (or so I hear.) =)

Just read a few things about the VGA giving issues with them is all. And yep, I have a 5 series, so that makes me feel better as well lol.

Thanks!

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Post#6 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:42 am

I SPECIALLY bought a series 5 for my dreamcast ;)
I took it with me to the store & tested it on every tv that had a vga port, this one was the best considering image vs price vs cable feedability ;)
We are SEGA generation.

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Post#7 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:43 am

mazonemayu wrote:I SPECIALLY bought a series 5 for my dreamcast ;)
I took it with me to the store & tested it on every tv that had a vga port, this one was the best considering image vs price vs cable feedability ;)


Awesome thank you! Do you put yours in game mode? And shut off the Auto Motion Plus? (Which I love mind you, but I know it will probably cause lag between the controller and games).

I have a un55c6300 btw.

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Post#8 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:13 am

to be honest I can't remember ;), I configured it for my old machines years ago & I haven't touched the settings eversince ;)
We are SEGA generation.

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Post#9 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:20 am

I am ever so slightly confused (it doesn't take much mind you). ;)

So I order one of these
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesal ... 94790.html

I now talk to the woman who sold me it and she's telling me it's going to take almost 30 day JUST for her to ship it because she is going on vacation.

Would there be any quality improvement with going something like this?
Also how can a DC to VGA cable be doing with this other box does, while this other box has um... a box! With capactiors and such inside of it.
Is there a reason to own a box over the cable I bought or vice versa?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dreamcast-VGA-A ... 2327b57338

Thanks guys,

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Post#10 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:55 pm

Vampyre Mike wrote:Is there a reason to own a box over the cable I bought or vice versa?

noiseredux wrote:not all games are VGA compatible, so the box is helpful in that you can easily switch between VGA and composite.

You already asked this question and got an answer. ;) VGA cables are cheaper, but VGA boxes allow you to switch between VGA and composite without having to unplug any cables. The only reason you would want to use the more expensive VGA box over the VGA cable is if you play a game that doesn't support VGA mode and you don't want to have to switch the cable connected to your Dreamcast every time you want to play that game. If all the games you play support VGA mode, then a VGA box provides no benefit to you over a cheaper VGA cable.

Where things can get tricky is if you want to play games that only support VGA mode through the so-called "switch trick". Each Dreamcast game contains a bootfile that describes which Dreamcast accessories are compatible with that game (e.g. keyboard, mouse, rumble pack), and VGA mode is treated as one of those accessories. Games that are fully compatible with VGA mode have bootfiles that say VGA mode is allowed, so you can just start them normally; however, some games with bootfiles that say VGA mode is not supported actually can use VGA mode through the trick.

The easiest way to do it is with the VGA box: you start the Dreamcast in composite ("TV") mode, listen to the GD-ROM drive spin up the disc, and wait for the little "beep" that the system makes after it verifies that you're using a GD-ROM. The moment you hear the beep, you push the switch on the VGA box to VGA ("PC") mode. By doing this, you can fake out the game: the game booted with composite cables in use and therefore passed the peripherals check, and once that check was done, you switched to VGA mode, which happens to (unofficially) work.

Doing this isn't a good idea with a VGA cable, because it has no switch. As a result, the only way to do the trick with a VGA cable is to actually swap cables as you boot your Dreamcast: you must start the system with the composite cable connected, wait for the beep, remove the composite cable from the back of the Dreamcast, and connect the VGA cable. Doing this frequently will wear out the video output jack on your system, which is why it isn't recommended.

Again, whether you need a VGA box instead of a VGA cable depends solely on which games you want to play. Most of the Dreamcast's good games are compatible with VGA mode and don't need the switch trick, and most of the ones that don't support VGA at all and require composite cables aren't worth playing, anyway.

Here's a (probably incomplete) list of games that support VGA fully, only through the switch trick, and not at all:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/dreamcast/91641 ... faqs/36035

If all of your games fall into the first category, the VGA cable is ideal for you. If some of your games fall into the second category, you probably want to have a VGA box. If some of your games fall into the third category, you really should have a VGA box.
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